anti virus vista 5270

I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
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Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

Forgot to mention that there is full integration with the Vista Security Center.
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Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Richard Urban" wrote in message

I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
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Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

I use AVG since its free and works fine :)
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"Richard Urban" wrote in message

Forgot to mention that there is full integration with the Vista Security Center.
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Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

I've got an article (which hopefully should be updated on my site regularly) for anti-virus software's that work on Vista.
www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase - Applications - "Which anti-virus software works on Vista?"
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"Richard Urban" wrote in message

I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
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Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270)

Richard, I am not sure you should be discussing this here. Maybe it would be better if you posted this to the private Beta newsgroups?
Wayne

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"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270)
Richard, I am not sure you should be discussing this here. Maybe it would be better if you posted this to the private Beta newsgroups?
Wayne

"Wayne Wastier" wrote in message

"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270)
Richard, I am not sure you should be discussing this here. Maybe it would be better if you posted this to the private Beta newsgroups?
Wayne

The beta newsgroups are more for developers, not end users.
These groups for the end users and my comments are entirely appropriate.
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Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

Yes they are
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"Richard Urban" wrote in message

"Wayne Wastier" wrote in message
"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270)
Richard, I am not sure you should be discussing this here. Maybe it would be better if you posted this to the private Beta newsgroups?
Wayne
The beta newsgroups are more for developers, not end users.
These groups for the end users and my comments are entirely appropriate.
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Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Richard Urban" wrote in message

"Wayne Wastier" wrote in message
"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270)
Richard, I am not sure you should be discussing this here. Maybe it would be better if you posted this to the private Beta newsgroups?
Wayne
The beta newsgroups are more for developers, not end users.
These groups for the end users and my comments are entirely appropriate.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message

This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

I didn't tell anyone a badword, I didn't tell anyone to shutup, I didn't say you are not welcomed here, I didn't say I hate you, I didn't say you are ugly, I didn't say you act like a fool, I didn't say you talk non-sense.
"several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here." So saying the above is very, very out of context. I am repeating what I have read from horses mouth, Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. Its up to whoever visits here to decide whether they are a bleeding edge consumers or early business adopter. And until the product reaches RTM, these newsgroups will remain that way, but I agree, asking questions about the product is not a problem. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message

Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

I am downloading this right now. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Richard Urban" wrote in message

Forgot to mention that there is full integration with the Vista Security Center.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

Andre; I never stated you said a "badword", "hate" or "tell anyone to shutup". I also did not say "fool" or "talk non-sense" Those all are your own ideas. Please do not make it seem like I suggested any of those.
You said "This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters." That is not the same as "Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters" You seem to be confusing Windows Vista and the newsgroups. They are not the same and the audience for each is different. This group is for everyone, a far larger group of people than that line suggests. Perhaps you meant "Bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters are the most likely participants of this newsgroup"
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I didn't tell anyone a badword, I didn't tell anyone to shutup, I didn't say you are not welcomed here, I didn't say I hate you, I didn't say you are ugly, I didn't say you act like a fool, I didn't say you talk non-sense.
"several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here." So saying the above is very, very out of context. I am repeating what I have read from horses mouth, Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. Its up to whoever visits here to decide whether they are a bleeding edge consumers or early business adopter. And until the product reaches RTM, these newsgroups will remain that way, but I agree, asking questions about the product is not a problem. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

Andre
No you did not. BUT this is a microsoft.PUBLIC group and your line in that post did refer to a certain group of posters. It is for ALL and NOT only for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters
-- Peter
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"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I didn't tell anyone a badword, I didn't tell anyone to shutup, I didn't say you are not welcomed here, I didn't say I hate you, I didn't say you are ugly, I didn't say you act like a fool, I didn't say you talk non-sense.
"several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here." So saying the above is very, very out of context. I am repeating what I have read from horses mouth, Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. Its up to whoever visits here to decide whether they are a bleeding edge consumers or early business adopter. And until the product reaches RTM, these newsgroups will remain that way, but I agree, asking questions about the product is not a problem. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

Let's all be nice folks :o) I'm quite worried that the public Vista newsgroups might get a bit nasty as the Vista beta newsgroups did just before Christmas...
Thankfully myself and a few people tried to defuse that, let's all get on eh? :o)
All the best,
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: http://msblog.resdev.net » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!

microsoft.public.vsnet
Public, I am not programmer, does it mean its for me? It could be, but I chose not. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Peter Foldes" wrote in message Andre
No you did not. BUT this is a microsoft.PUBLIC group and your line in that post did refer to a certain group of posters. It is for ALL and NOT only for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters
-- Peter
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"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I didn't tell anyone a badword, I didn't tell anyone to shutup, I didn't say you are not welcomed here, I didn't say I hate you, I didn't say you are ugly, I didn't say you act like a fool, I didn't say you talk non-sense.
"several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here." So saying the above is very, very out of context. I am repeating what I have read from horses mouth, Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. Its up to whoever visits here to decide whether they are a bleeding edge consumers or early business adopter. And until the product reaches RTM, these newsgroups will remain that way, but I agree, asking questions about the product is not a problem. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

Perhaps you meant "Bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters are the most likely participants of this newsgroup"
I can agree on that. :) -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message

Andre; I never stated you said a "badword", "hate" or "tell anyone to shutup". I also did not say "fool" or "talk non-sense" Those all are your own ideas. Please do not make it seem like I suggested any of those.
You said "This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters." That is not the same as "Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters" You seem to be confusing Windows Vista and the newsgroups. They are not the same and the audience for each is different. This group is for everyone, a far larger group of people than that line suggests. Perhaps you meant "Bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters are the most likely participants of this newsgroup"
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I didn't tell anyone a badword, I didn't tell anyone to shutup, I didn't say you are not welcomed here, I didn't say I hate you, I didn't say you are ugly, I didn't say you act like a fool, I didn't say you talk non-sense.
"several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here." So saying the above is very, very out of context. I am repeating what I have read from horses mouth, Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. Its up to whoever visits here to decide whether they are a bleeding edge consumers or early business adopter. And until the product reaches RTM, these newsgroups will remain that way, but I agree, asking questions about the product is not a problem. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

No conflicts here, I know we all can resolve things in a very civilised manner. :) -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

Let's all be nice folks :o) I'm quite worried that the public Vista newsgroups might get a bit nasty as the Vista beta newsgroups did just before Christmas...
Thankfully myself and a few people tried to defuse that, let's all get on eh? :o)
All the best,
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: http://msblog.resdev.net » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!

Can someone clue me in on how "public" we should be? It appears to me as though details of 5270 are appropriate for public discussion, at least here. I'd be glad to join in where I know something, that's why I'm here, but I am a little fuzzy on the pedigree of the "publicness" of this discussion--i.e. how is this build available? Is it, for example distributed in MSDN or Technet? (I should know this, but haven't tracked the detail.)
--
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message

Andre; I never stated you said a "badword", "hate" or "tell anyone to shutup". I also did not say "fool" or "talk non-sense" Those all are your own ideas. Please do not make it seem like I suggested any of those.
You said "This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters." That is not the same as "Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters" You seem to be confusing Windows Vista and the newsgroups. They are not the same and the audience for each is different. This group is for everyone, a far larger group of people than that line suggests. Perhaps you meant "Bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters are the most likely participants of this newsgroup"
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I didn't tell anyone a badword, I didn't tell anyone to shutup, I didn't say you are not welcomed here, I didn't say I hate you, I didn't say you are ugly, I didn't say you act like a fool, I didn't say you talk non-sense.
"several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here." So saying the above is very, very out of context. I am repeating what I have read from horses mouth, Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. Its up to whoever visits here to decide whether they are a bleeding edge consumers or early business adopter. And until the product reaches RTM, these newsgroups will remain that way, but I agree, asking questions about the product is not a problem. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

There is no NDA stated in Vista :o) All they ask is that we do not distribute downloads.
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: http://msblog.resdev.net » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!

The only way you can get Vista outside of the BETA Programme is through a MSDN or Technet subscription, so in a way its not available to the general population. But persons who don't have access to builds can ask questions, no problemo. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Bill Sanderson" wrote in message

Can someone clue me in on how "public" we should be? It appears to me as though details of 5270 are appropriate for public discussion, at least here. I'd be glad to join in where I know something, that's why I'm here, but I am a little fuzzy on the pedigree of the "publicness" of this discussion--i.e. how is this build available? Is it, for example distributed in MSDN or Technet? (I should know this, but haven't tracked the detail.)
--
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; I never stated you said a "badword", "hate" or "tell anyone to shutup". I also did not say "fool" or "talk non-sense" Those all are your own ideas. Please do not make it seem like I suggested any of those.
You said "This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters." That is not the same as "Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters" You seem to be confusing Windows Vista and the newsgroups. They are not the same and the audience for each is different. This group is for everyone, a far larger group of people than that line suggests. Perhaps you meant "Bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters are the most likely participants of this newsgroup"
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I didn't tell anyone a badword, I didn't tell anyone to shutup, I didn't say you are not welcomed here, I didn't say I hate you, I didn't say you are ugly, I didn't say you act like a fool, I didn't say you talk non-sense.
"several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here." So saying the above is very, very out of context. I am repeating what I have read from horses mouth, Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. Its up to whoever visits here to decide whether they are a bleeding edge consumers or early business adopter. And until the product reaches RTM, these newsgroups will remain that way, but I agree, asking questions about the product is not a problem. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

It seems to me that builds that are distributed via MSDN or Technet are public--anyone with sufficient dinero can buy those.
I just want to be sure I'm discussing the right builds in the right places. --
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message

The only way you can get Vista outside of the BETA Programme is through a MSDN or Technet subscription, so in a way its not available to the general population. But persons who don't have access to builds can ask questions, no problemo. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Bill Sanderson" wrote in message Can someone clue me in on how "public" we should be? It appears to me as though details of 5270 are appropriate for public discussion, at least here. I'd be glad to join in where I know something, that's why I'm here, but I am a little fuzzy on the pedigree of the "publicness" of this discussion--i.e. how is this build available? Is it, for example distributed in MSDN or Technet? (I should know this, but haven't tracked the detail.)
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; I never stated you said a "badword", "hate" or "tell anyone to shutup". I also did not say "fool" or "talk non-sense" Those all are your own ideas. Please do not make it seem like I suggested any of those.
You said "This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters." That is not the same as "Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters" You seem to be confusing Windows Vista and the newsgroups. They are not the same and the audience for each is different. This group is for everyone, a far larger group of people than that line suggests. Perhaps you meant "Bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters are the most likely participants of this newsgroup"
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I didn't tell anyone a badword, I didn't tell anyone to shutup, I didn't say you are not welcomed here, I didn't say I hate you, I didn't say you are ugly, I didn't say you act like a fool, I didn't say you talk non-sense.
"several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here." So saying the above is very, very out of context. I am repeating what I have read from horses mouth, Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. Its up to whoever visits here to decide whether they are a bleeding edge consumers or early business adopter. And until the product reaches RTM, these newsgroups will remain that way, but I agree, asking questions about the product is not a problem. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

I would think, by looking at the placement of these groups, and the fact that anyone can view them, that these groups are going to be the defacto place to go after Windows Vista has gone gold.
I can't see Microsoft dissolving these news groups and setting up a new set. They may clear out the server cash to start fresh, but they likely won't even do that. They will just allow them to roll off the servers according to the time frame they have in place at the time (30 days, 60 days - who knows)
But then, I have been wrong before!
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Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Bill Sanderson" wrote in message

It seems to me that builds that are distributed via MSDN or Technet are public--anyone with sufficient dinero can buy those.
I just want to be sure I'm discussing the right builds in the right places. --
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message The only way you can get Vista outside of the BETA Programme is through a MSDN or Technet subscription, so in a way its not available to the general population. But persons who don't have access to builds can ask questions, no problemo. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Bill Sanderson" wrote in message Can someone clue me in on how "public" we should be? It appears to me as though details of 5270 are appropriate for public discussion, at least here. I'd be glad to join in where I know something, that's why I'm here, but I am a little fuzzy on the pedigree of the "publicness" of this discussion--i.e. how is this build available? Is it, for example distributed in MSDN or Technet? (I should know this, but haven't tracked the detail.)
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; I never stated you said a "badword", "hate" or "tell anyone to shutup". I also did not say "fool" or "talk non-sense" Those all are your own ideas. Please do not make it seem like I suggested any of those.
You said "This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters." That is not the same as "Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters" You seem to be confusing Windows Vista and the newsgroups. They are not the same and the audience for each is different. This group is for everyone, a far larger group of people than that line suggests. Perhaps you meant "Bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters are the most likely participants of this newsgroup"
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I didn't tell anyone a badword, I didn't tell anyone to shutup, I didn't say you are not welcomed here, I didn't say I hate you, I didn't say you are ugly, I didn't say you act like a fool, I didn't say you talk non-sense.
"several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here." So saying the above is very, very out of context. I am repeating what I have read from horses mouth, Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. Its up to whoever visits here to decide whether they are a bleeding edge consumers or early business adopter. And until the product reaches RTM, these newsgroups will remain that way, but I agree, asking questions about the product is not a problem. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

Yeah, I would agree, I am going to leave it at general dicussion and help for those who have access to the Vista builds. I would determine the right build to dicuss according build distributed to Technical testers. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Bill Sanderson" wrote in message

It seems to me that builds that are distributed via MSDN or Technet are public--anyone with sufficient dinero can buy those.
I just want to be sure I'm discussing the right builds in the right places. --
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message The only way you can get Vista outside of the BETA Programme is through a MSDN or Technet subscription, so in a way its not available to the general population. But persons who don't have access to builds can ask questions, no problemo. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Bill Sanderson" wrote in message Can someone clue me in on how "public" we should be? It appears to me as though details of 5270 are appropriate for public discussion, at least here. I'd be glad to join in where I know something, that's why I'm here, but I am a little fuzzy on the pedigree of the "publicness" of this discussion--i.e. how is this build available? Is it, for example distributed in MSDN or Technet? (I should know this, but haven't tracked the detail.)
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; I never stated you said a "badword", "hate" or "tell anyone to shutup". I also did not say "fool" or "talk non-sense" Those all are your own ideas. Please do not make it seem like I suggested any of those.
You said "This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters." That is not the same as "Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters" You seem to be confusing Windows Vista and the newsgroups. They are not the same and the audience for each is different. This group is for everyone, a far larger group of people than that line suggests. Perhaps you meant "Bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters are the most likely participants of this newsgroup"
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I didn't tell anyone a badword, I didn't tell anyone to shutup, I didn't say you are not welcomed here, I didn't say I hate you, I didn't say you are ugly, I didn't say you act like a fool, I didn't say you talk non-sense.
"several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here." So saying the above is very, very out of context. I am repeating what I have read from horses mouth, Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. Its up to whoever visits here to decide whether they are a bleeding edge consumers or early business adopter. And until the product reaches RTM, these newsgroups will remain that way, but I agree, asking questions about the product is not a problem. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

Froze my computer to death! :-{
-- Nancy Ward 557322 MSN Messenger MVP
"Richard Urban" wrote in message

I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

Won't work on my computer. Sigh...
-- Nancy Ward 557322 MSN Messenger MVP
"Deansweb2004|NT" wrote in message

I use AVG since its free and works fine :)
-- Deansweb2004|NT - 658719 [R2 - Grasshoppers Hoster/Admin] Email: dean@deansweb2004.com Blog: http://deansweb2004.com
"Richard Urban" wrote in message Forgot to mention that there is full integration with the Vista Security Center.
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Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

Why not, Wayne? We've never been hogtied when it comes to stuff about Vista. It's kind of out there, up front and personal by now. Even build 5270. :) Now, if it were that beta that has a 12 in it...
-- Nancy Ward 557322 MSN Messenger MVP
"Wayne Wastier" wrote in message

"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270)
Richard, I am not sure you should be discussing this here. Maybe it would be better if you posted this to the private Beta newsgroups?
Wayne

I haven't seen anything in this newsgroup that would seem to make anyone feel unwelcome here. Especially, since the name of the newsgroup starts with microsoft.public... Pretty obvious to me all should feel welcome.
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message

Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

Bill, pretty much everything we know is public knowledge by now, and helping out in these newsgroups shouldn't be a problem. I think if it were, we'd all have been warned earlier in the private newsgroup Announcements section. Just my opinion, but StarFerret thinks it's sound. :-}
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Bill Sanderson" wrote in message

Can someone clue me in on how "public" we should be? It appears to me as though details of 5270 are appropriate for public discussion, at least here. I'd be glad to join in where I know something, that's why I'm here, but I am a little fuzzy on the pedigree of the "publicness" of this discussion--i.e. how is this build available? Is it, for example distributed in MSDN or Technet? (I should know this, but haven't tracked the detail.)
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; I never stated you said a "badword", "hate" or "tell anyone to shutup". I also did not say "fool" or "talk non-sense" Those all are your own ideas. Please do not make it seem like I suggested any of those.
You said "This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters." That is not the same as "Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters" You seem to be confusing Windows Vista and the newsgroups. They are not the same and the audience for each is different. This group is for everyone, a far larger group of people than that line suggests. Perhaps you meant "Bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters are the most likely participants of this newsgroup"
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I didn't tell anyone a badword, I didn't tell anyone to shutup, I didn't say you are not welcomed here, I didn't say I hate you, I didn't say you are ugly, I didn't say you act like a fool, I didn't say you talk non-sense.
"several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here." So saying the above is very, very out of context. I am repeating what I have read from horses mouth, Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. Its up to whoever visits here to decide whether they are a bleeding edge consumers or early business adopter. And until the product reaches RTM, these newsgroups will remain that way, but I agree, asking questions about the product is not a problem. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

Don't worry, Bill. You're in the right. :-}
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Bill Sanderson" wrote in message

It seems to me that builds that are distributed via MSDN or Technet are public--anyone with sufficient dinero can buy those.
I just want to be sure I'm discussing the right builds in the right places. --
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message The only way you can get Vista outside of the BETA Programme is through a MSDN or Technet subscription, so in a way its not available to the general population. But persons who don't have access to builds can ask questions, no problemo. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Bill Sanderson" wrote in message Can someone clue me in on how "public" we should be? It appears to me as though details of 5270 are appropriate for public discussion, at least here. I'd be glad to join in where I know something, that's why I'm here, but I am a little fuzzy on the pedigree of the "publicness" of this discussion--i.e. how is this build available? Is it, for example distributed in MSDN or Technet? (I should know this, but haven't tracked the detail.)
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; I never stated you said a "badword", "hate" or "tell anyone to shutup". I also did not say "fool" or "talk non-sense" Those all are your own ideas. Please do not make it seem like I suggested any of those.
You said "This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters." That is not the same as "Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters" You seem to be confusing Windows Vista and the newsgroups. They are not the same and the audience for each is different. This group is for everyone, a far larger group of people than that line suggests. Perhaps you meant "Bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters are the most likely participants of this newsgroup"
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I didn't tell anyone a badword, I didn't tell anyone to shutup, I didn't say you are not welcomed here, I didn't say I hate you, I didn't say you are ugly, I didn't say you act like a fool, I didn't say you talk non-sense.
"several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here." So saying the above is very, very out of context. I am repeating what I have read from horses mouth, Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. Its up to whoever visits here to decide whether they are a bleeding edge consumers or early business adopter. And until the product reaches RTM, these newsgroups will remain that way, but I agree, asking questions about the product is not a problem. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

Agreed, Zack. Even though Andre may have said something about bleeding edge and whatever else, it shouldn't be taken at face value. I didn't take offense and most likely no one else did either; that is, from the public sector. I'm sure they're more used to public newsgroups than we beta testers are. :-}
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

Let's all be nice folks :o) I'm quite worried that the public Vista newsgroups might get a bit nasty as the Vista beta newsgroups did just before Christmas...
Thankfully myself and a few people tried to defuse that, let's all get on eh? :o)
All the best,
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: http://msblog.resdev.net » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!

OK - I really wasn't too worried about it, but just wanted to be sure of my ground.
Thanks everyone, for the reassurances.
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"NLWard" wrote in message

Bill, pretty much everything we know is public knowledge by now, and helping out in these newsgroups shouldn't be a problem. I think if it were, we'd all have been warned earlier in the private newsgroup Announcements section. Just my opinion, but StarFerret thinks it's sound. :-}
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Bill Sanderson" wrote in message Can someone clue me in on how "public" we should be? It appears to me as though details of 5270 are appropriate for public discussion, at least here. I'd be glad to join in where I know something, that's why I'm here, but I am a little fuzzy on the pedigree of the "publicness" of this discussion--i.e. how is this build available? Is it, for example distributed in MSDN or Technet? (I should know this, but haven't tracked the detail.)
--
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; I never stated you said a "badword", "hate" or "tell anyone to shutup". I also did not say "fool" or "talk non-sense" Those all are your own ideas. Please do not make it seem like I suggested any of those.
You said "This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters." That is not the same as "Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters" You seem to be confusing Windows Vista and the newsgroups. They are not the same and the audience for each is different. This group is for everyone, a far larger group of people than that line suggests. Perhaps you meant "Bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters are the most likely participants of this newsgroup"
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I didn't tell anyone a badword, I didn't tell anyone to shutup, I didn't say you are not welcomed here, I didn't say I hate you, I didn't say you are ugly, I didn't say you act like a fool, I didn't say you talk non-sense.
"several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here." So saying the above is very, very out of context. I am repeating what I have read from horses mouth, Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. Its up to whoever visits here to decide whether they are a bleeding edge consumers or early business adopter. And until the product reaches RTM, these newsgroups will remain that way, but I agree, asking questions about the product is not a problem. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

Some folks find that they need to disable a web-related piece or service to make it usable.
--
"NLWard" wrote in message

Froze my computer to death! :-{
-- Nancy Ward 557322 MSN Messenger MVP
"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

Symantec also has a version for Windows Vista, in case you care.
http://symantec.com/vista/
Josh Http://windowsconnected.com
"Richard Urban" wrote in message

I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

You need your existing Symantec license (serial) though to get access to it. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Josh" wrote in message

Symantec also has a version for Windows Vista, in case you care.
http://symantec.com/vista/
Josh Http://windowsconnected.com
"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

I will say this One More Time: Do Not Install Avast 4.6 Professional Edition on Windows Vista Builds 5231 CTP or 5270 CTP! It Does Not Work! It will completely Freeze Up your Computer! You will then have to Clean Install!
"Richard Urban" wrote in message

I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

P.S. I have previously mentioned this in the MSDN Windows Vista Developer's Newsgroups, and have now repeated this post here for everyone to see, considering the fact that Andre, Jabez, and Zack, did not warn you guys about this problem.
"Kevin Panzke" wrote in message

I will say this One More Time: Do Not Install Avast 4.6 Professional Edition on Windows Vista Builds 5231 CTP or 5270 CTP! It Does Not Work! It will completely Freeze Up your Computer! You will then have to Clean Install!
"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

We're not expected to know *everything* and even still, that might have been a one off incident.
Double dare yer to try it again :op
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!

Yeah, but this was the latest build where you're not supposed to have to do that. :(
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Bill Sanderson" wrote in message

Some folks find that they need to disable a web-related piece or service to make it usable.
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"NLWard" wrote in message Froze my computer to death! :-{
-- Nancy Ward 557322 MSN Messenger MVP
"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
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Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

Although it froze up my computer when I installed Avast 4.6, I did NOT have to do a clean install of Vista. Once I removed Avast, all was well again.
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Kevin Panzke" wrote in message

I will say this One More Time: Do Not Install Avast 4.6 Professional Edition on Windows Vista Builds 5231 CTP or 5270 CTP! It Does Not Work! It will completely Freeze Up your Computer! You will then have to Clean Install!
"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

Didn't work that way on my computer, Zack. I just did an uninstall and everything was once more hunky-dory.
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

We're not expected to know *everything* and even still, that might have been a one off incident.
Double dare yer to try it again :op
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!

Well Nancy, the last time I installed Avast on Build 5270, I was completely unable to open up anything on my computer, including Add / Remove Programs.
"NLWard" wrote in message

Although it froze up my computer when I installed Avast 4.6, I did NOT have to do a clean install of Vista. Once I removed Avast, all was well again.
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Kevin Panzke" wrote in message I will say this One More Time: Do Not Install Avast 4.6 Professional Edition on Windows Vista Builds 5231 CTP or 5270 CTP! It Does Not Work! It will completely Freeze Up your Computer! You will then have to Clean Install!
"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

I have been recommending the free edition which I have been using and have no issues with. I am cheap. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Kevin Panzke" wrote in message

P.S. I have previously mentioned this in the MSDN Windows Vista Developer's Newsgroups, and have now repeated this post here for everyone to see, considering the fact that Andre, Jabez, and Zack, did not warn you guys about this problem.
"Kevin Panzke" wrote in message I will say this One More Time: Do Not Install Avast 4.6 Professional Edition on Windows Vista Builds 5231 CTP or 5270 CTP! It Does Not Work! It will completely Freeze Up your Computer! You will then have to Clean Install!
"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

Same here; the only difference I see is that I was able to uninstall and you weren't.
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Kevin Panzke" wrote in message

Well Nancy, the last time I installed Avast on Build 5270, I was completely unable to open up anything on my computer, including Add / Remove Programs.
"NLWard" wrote in message Although it froze up my computer when I installed Avast 4.6, I did NOT have to do a clean install of Vista. Once I removed Avast, all was well again.
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Kevin Panzke" wrote in message I will say this One More Time: Do Not Install Avast 4.6 Professional Edition on Windows Vista Builds 5231 CTP or 5270 CTP! It Does Not Work! It will completely Freeze Up your Computer! You will then have to Clean Install!
"Richard Urban" wrote in message I just finished installing Avast 4.6 personal on Windows Vista 5270.
I am pleased to state that the install completed without any complications. The protection is up and running on my computer at this moment.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban (using Windows Vista 5270) Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

And don't forget the infamous BitTorrent (or was it BitComet I saw somewhere else in the other Vista newsgroup?)
"Bill Sanderson" wrote in message

It seems to me that builds that are distributed via MSDN or Technet are public--anyone with sufficient dinero can buy those.
I just want to be sure I'm discussing the right builds in the right places. --
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message The only way you can get Vista outside of the BETA Programme is through a MSDN or Technet subscription, so in a way its not available to the general population. But persons who don't have access to builds can ask questions, no problemo. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Bill Sanderson" wrote in message Can someone clue me in on how "public" we should be? It appears to me as though details of 5270 are appropriate for public discussion, at least here. I'd be glad to join in where I know something, that's why I'm here, but I am a little fuzzy on the pedigree of the "publicness" of this discussion--i.e. how is this build available? Is it, for example distributed in MSDN or Technet? (I should know this, but haven't tracked the detail.)
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; I never stated you said a "badword", "hate" or "tell anyone to shutup". I also did not say "fool" or "talk non-sense" Those all are your own ideas. Please do not make it seem like I suggested any of those.
You said "This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters." That is not the same as "Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters" You seem to be confusing Windows Vista and the newsgroups. They are not the same and the audience for each is different. This group is for everyone, a far larger group of people than that line suggests. Perhaps you meant "Bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters are the most likely participants of this newsgroup"
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I didn't tell anyone a badword, I didn't tell anyone to shutup, I didn't say you are not welcomed here, I didn't say I hate you, I didn't say you are ugly, I didn't say you act like a fool, I didn't say you talk non-sense.
"several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here." So saying the above is very, very out of context. I am repeating what I have read from horses mouth, Windows Vista in its current state, BETA 1 or 2 is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. Its up to whoever visits here to decide whether they are a bleeding edge consumers or early business adopter. And until the product reaches RTM, these newsgroups will remain that way, but I agree, asking questions about the product is not a problem. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message Andre; And anyone else that is interested. Which means the general public. You should be careful, whether intended or not , several of your posts may seem to a visitor that everyone is not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to post and read.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"Andre Da Costa" wrote in message This group is for bleeding edge consumers and early business adopters. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm